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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
 Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 2:39:50 PM
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Ez peeps,
I'll be totally honest and I mean this very seriously...
I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DJ!!!
Will one of you please just take some time to give me a few pointers...if I'm any good at it I'll keep at it! If I'm crap i'll drop it and never mention it again!!
What d'ya say?
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Edited by - Kat on 09 Jan 2009 2:40:11 PM |
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Mr Nitro
Different Drumz Family
United Kingdom
1497 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 2:46:21 PM
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| good effort kat.. il gladly give you some mixing lessons if you like.. u allready have a good senso of rythm and timing ect as u sing so it shouldnt be that hard.. pluss u know the tunes ect too..lol.. |
http://www.n2odesigns.co.uk
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JustLulu2
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 2:47:09 PM
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| i say im with ya on this one, even if i aint no good i wana understand more so i can appreciate wots gwanin |
off my rocker baby yeah! |
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 3:04:03 PM
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Safe Nitro - I'd appreciate it - I reckon I'd do alright - it seems proper technical - but I know the general stuff from intently watchin IBM.
We should arrange a night/day where I'll come up 2 the studio & u can show me a few bitz.
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Saxy
Different Drumz Crew
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 4:25:58 PM
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ha ha kat yes, you remember our conversation on this when u me n ash were gonna secretly learn n do our own show once a week, how heavy would that be eh!!
still reckon it needs to be done, considerin as we are mixin in our heads most of the time !!! |
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JustLulu2
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
259 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 6:39:25 PM
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| theres gotta b sum way to learn, im determined haha |
off my rocker baby yeah! |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
306 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 1:25:17 PM
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Edit - below there is a word file where all the diagrams are how they are meant to be - in the edit post page it all lines up but when i post it it doesnt - in the word file it all fits properly.
OK.... I will start you off with some theory... its like 2 trains going down a track.
/ / / / / / / / / = 1 track
/ / / / / / / / / = 2nd track
you know on a train line there are sleepers (the bits that join the 2 rails in the middle)...well they are the beats.. the idea is to get the front on the train (the needle of the vinyl player (the bit of the tune that is playing at the moment)) to hit those sleepers or beats at the same time.... to do that the trains must be running at the same time and at the same speed.
so to get them to run at the same time you have to let your second train go in snyc with the first. You do this by queueing..... you go to the first beat on your second record, and you let it go when the other is at the beginning of a bar. You can do it at any bar, but if you do it at the beginning of every 4 bars (you know the ones, the ones where the music changes a bit or has a bit of a creshendo) then all the carriages of your train will be lined up and you will have a better mix. that is the easy part.
bg = first beat of every 4 bars
/ / / / bg / / / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 1)
queing track
let it go / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 2)
now you see how the sleepers or beats lined up for a bit then they went out of sync?? well thats because the trains are not running at the same speed. In music sense it is the same... the second tune is running at a faster bpm (beats per minute) then the second. so how do you correct this i hear you ask.
On a deck, there is a pitch control. it does change the pitch of a tune (makes it a bit higher or lower on a musical scale). but the way it does this is to play the record a bit faster or slower. if it plays a bit faster the bpm increases, if it plays it slower the bpm decreases.
so back to our example
/ / / / bg / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 1)
queing track
let it go / / / / /
at this point you are listening in your headphones to the second track. you here it is to fast. so you move the pitch slider down a bit and use your finger to slow the record a bit (cause the 1st track needs to catch up... so now you have done this
/ / / / bg / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 1)
queing track 2
let it go / / / / / / / / / (track 2)
x
see the big gap above where the x is...that was you slowing the record down and moving the pitch slider ... see how it has brought it all back in sync?? (the 5th sleeper / beat hit at the same time on both). now its back in time and sounding good again......but wait a min..look what has happened now (on the diagram below i have had to get rid of the queing bit cause of the space... the bg is the bg where you let the second track go)
BG / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 1)
go / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 2)
y
see how after your correction (y) it was in sync for a bit and then it went off again. you can see now that the space between our beats/sleepers is bigger in the second track. in other other words our train/record is now running at a slower bpm then the first....we slowed it down too much.
so, all you do is the opposite of what you did when it was too fast. you make a correction by putting the pitch slider up a bit and giving the record a little nudge to get it back in sync. now you dont want to put the pitch slider as fast as before cause you know that that was too fast. so you put it up a bit but not as much as before....
BG / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / (track 1)
go / / / / / / / / / / // / / / / / / (track 2)
y x
See above x our beats / sleepers are close together... well thats where we nudged the record and put the pitch slider up a bit. see how the records/trains are in sync again. and by in sync, i dont mean just in line, count the beats/sleepers in the diagram. where they line up again they are both on the 12th beat/sleeper.
sounds simple doesnt it. and in all honesty it is....once you have learnt it!! the problem is teaching your brain to listen to 1 track in 1 ear, and then another in the other ear...and being able to determine if the 1 in your ear is slower or faster than the 1 playing. the only way to learn that it to practise. When i got my decks i couldnt mix for shit for about 6 months. every time i mixed it was horrible....the tunes wernt anywhere near in time - and 2 tunes not intime dont sound good. but then 1 day after loads of perservearance and lots of "oh i am never gonna be able to mix" it just clicked. all of a sudden i could hear if a tune was too fast or 2 slow.
once you have that skill...you keep practising and pratcising to hone it...at first it might take you a while to get a tune intime and you find you are running out of the first tune before you have even found the correct pitch... but after a while you can do it in a few bars of music.
Once you have learnt to get 2 tunes intime thats when you start worrying about all the different things you can do while 2 tunes are in time.
i am happy to give a lesson but without your own decks, or someones you can pratcise on a few times a week, you dont really have a hope in hell. unless you get some software that you can mix mp3s on... but if you learn on that, then you kinda need to adjust to mixing on decks. each deck has its own feel, a technic deck has a different feel to a stanton and will require you to move the pitch slider a different amount for the same adjustsment. in addition, the little nudge you give it - if you nudge a cheap soundlab deck as much as you do a technic, the record will go stupidly fast and it will be out of time.
thats why clubs always have technics (well the grand majority do)...because thats what most DJs have. the same with cd decks, most clubs have pioneers....because they are the best and as a result thats what most djs get.
well that concludes your theory for the day. your homework is to practise practise practise. if you dont then i will give you 100 lines of
"i must leant how to double drop these 2 fat dance floor killas!!!"
so do i get the reward for the longes post in dd history???
  
and just because i have learnt this already 
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
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Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 1:31:14 PM
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| After all that when i posted it it didnt keep my message all in line so my diagrams are off....gonna post you a word file you lucky lucky people. |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 2:07:07 PM
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Sounds complex...but doable...
Fk doing lines though! |
This town aint big enuff 4 the both of us! |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
306 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 2:50:46 PM
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| BUMP...because of the effort that went into it |
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 1:33:40 PM
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| Can I use ur decks to practise IBM??? |
This town aint big enuff 4 the both of us! |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
306 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 1:46:18 PM
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| When i am not there to listen to the horse race yeah!!!! |
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 1:47:35 PM
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How will I ever learn if you won't take the time to teach me???
Like u sed - practise makes perfect rite?? |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
306 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 1:52:00 PM
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yeah it does.... but the skill to listen and work out if a track is too fast or slow is not something that can be taught..... it is something that you just learn.... you practise and practise and then all of a sudden it just...well clicks.
There are things i can say to help...for if you cant work out what is going on just listen to what track gets to the next bar first...then you can work it out but it is something that just comes with practise. |
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 1:55:01 PM
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Right - which I appreciate and I am willing to take the time to learn it....I just need time and someone to show me...
You seem like the most logical tutor!
Gimme a chance, if after several attempts, I still suck you can boot me out!!?? |
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Mr Nitro
Different Drumz Family
United Kingdom
1497 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 2:05:22 PM
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| wowsers.. long explanation mr ibm.. good effort tho.. that should help any budding dj... the key is learning when a track is too fast or too slow and knowing when the breaks are.. get that n you are away! |
http://www.n2odesigns.co.uk
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Saxy
Different Drumz Crew
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 3:15:34 PM
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| wow ibm i think u should record ur voice on that speech, then we can fall asleep whilst listenin to it n wake up in the know, bit like hypnotherapy, u get me ??? |
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Mr Nitro
Different Drumz Family
United Kingdom
1497 Posts |
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Saxy
Different Drumz Crew
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 3:32:24 PM
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| yer thats what im talkin about, fuck paul mcckenna lol !!! |
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ItchyBumba
Different Drumz Family
306 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 4:10:51 PM
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LOL
@ Kat - you will suck for weeks if you are lucky, months if you are normal. |
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S1 DJ
Different Drumz Family
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 7:45:29 PM
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spend a good few hours mixing two copies of the same tune.. if u cant get them in time to sound like one.. give up !! some people got it.. some people aint lol
seriously tho.. if u wana do it.. after a while u'll get it by the feel of the pitch n the sounds of the tracks.. Happily help anyone learn.. |
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Kat
Different Drumz Regular
United Kingdom
267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 8:48:26 PM
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| woop woop - I got tutors! yay me!! |
This town aint big enuff 4 the both of us! |
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Mr Nitro
Different Drumz Family
United Kingdom
1497 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2009 : 11:12:58 PM
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**Update ***
This evening i gave Saxy her first ever mixing lesson and to be fair it went really well i thought!! Standardly still work to be done as is was only couple of hours playing about with a couple of tunes and gettin her clued up on the mixer and the basics but i have high hopes! She allready knows the breaks and timing n shizzle.. the only tweak now is that 'click' moment when you know if the incomming tune is too fast or too slow but doing very well indeed for a first mini lesson while a bit lean on a friday night .. stick at it and she will be the next DDz DJ in no time !! 
Here.... some evidence :
*scratches head and thinks* DDz DJ courses... hahaha
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http://www.n2odesigns.co.uk
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m3tan
Newby
United Kingdom
10 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 12:36:35 AM
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| well done saxy |
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Saxy
Different Drumz Crew
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 03:10:45 AM
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Ha ha cheers guys, i must say that only after an hour of learning im hooked, roll on tomorrow when i can have another go (all day). Im loving it woop thanks nitro babes xxxx
Could of took a better pic tho hahaha
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Edited by - Saxy on 12 Sep 2009 03:12:03 AM |
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I wanna DJ!!
